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NOTE: An overview of ramp modeling is given in the ETABS 09 -- Linear Ramps video tutorial

How do I design columns when unbraced length is especially long?

Extended Question: I am modeling a parking structure in which only ramps frame into certain columns. Since there are no beams to provide bracing points, effective length is unrealistically long. How is this resolved?

ANSWER: When columns frame multiple stories, the software only identifies brace points under the following circumstances:

Parking structures may be of particular concern because diaphragms are not assigned to ramps, but rather, only to horizontal area objects. As a result, when interconnecting beams are not present to serve as bracing, effective column length may become very long.

To design such columns, refer to the lower column segment. The software will apply the appropriate length factor to these segments and correctly calculate the actual design length. The lower column will then govern design of the entire column.

Related Incidents:

  • Incident 47242: ETABS Ramps Issues for a parking structure

How should I deal with center of mass for ramps?

Extended Question: The diaphragm center keeps shifting floor by floor since ramps are not included in the diaphragm definition. How is this resolved?

ANSWER: Since diaphragms are not assigned to ramps, and only to horizontal area objects, diaphragms are usually assigned to levels above and below each ramp. Center of mass is then calculated according to nodal masses, therefore proper meshing is important for the distribution of mass and the accuracy of the center-of-mass location.

Related Incidents:

  • Incident 47242: ETABS Ramps Issues for a parking structure

How do I find the ramp area?

ANSWER: Since floor area only applies to horizontal area objects, ramp area should be found using weight, unit weight, and thickness properties.

Related Incidents:

  • Incident 47242: ETABS Ramps Issues for a parking structure

TO DO:

  • Bob The ramp info may be incorrect. Especially for the first question. Can a beam be added to the ramp between columns to trigger the program to calculate the correct KL? (this would be a beam added to the model only, with appropriate section properties and end releases) For a concrete column (maybe steel, too), it may be part of a moment frame system where the KL needs to be known for every segment, in both orthogonal directions.